Арбитраж пользователя LastMurder на пользователя Forcecat



I understand the skepticism, but let me clarify a few important things.

Yes, Forcecat was indeed paid weekly during the early stages of the project. However, that phase of weekly payments was separate from what came later. Eventually, we negotiated a complete purchase of the entire source code and custom systems he developed in a new project (which he himself proposed, claiming the previous version had become obsolete). This final deal was fully paid for by Arthur Senna, and it was not just a continuation of weekly payments — it was a direct transaction for specific deliverables.


Forcecat provided us with a GitHub repository that only contained clean MOBIUS files, without any of the custom systems or modifications we had paid for (Gear Score, Custom UI, Auto Hunt, etc). When questioned, he stalled, made excuses, and continued asking for more money. Once Arthur refused to send more money without receiving what had been promised, Forcecat blocked us, deleted the Telegram history, and vanished.


Let me be clear:
He was paid. He offered us something specific (custom files + source). He did not deliver. That is theft.
We are not here to ask for money back – we are fully aware that won’t happen.
We are here to warn others, so that this individual cannot continue scamming more developers in the community.


He even unblocked Arthur today, clearly trying to calm the situation now that his reputation is at stake. If we were lying or exaggerating, why would he bother reaching out again?

Lastly, this is not about a single bad delivery. A scammer doesn't stop being one just because they delivered some work to others in the past. If someone steals from 2 clients after working properly with 10 others, they are still a scammer.
We are simply doing our part in reporting someone who caused serious financial and reputational damage over the course of a year.

Also, I want to mention that I do not speak Russian and my English is only intermediate. So, some things I write or share here might sound strange or be misunderstood, and I apologize in advance if anything I say comes out of context or is hard to understand. I’m doing my best to explain everything clearly and respectfully.

Thank you for your time.
 
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Forcecat blocked us, deleted the Telegram history, and vanished.
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Забавно.
Кот вернулся с оркестром.
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перешагнула 1.000 у.е. - а договор бональный не заключила?
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Да какой договор 25 год, а даже гарантом слабо воспользоваться.

А че мы собственно обсуждаем то? 1500$ пруфа перевода, которых нигде нету? Как там "любые сомнения трактуются в пользу обвиняемого?"
 
Да тема сплошная жидкая вода.
 
Если вы прочитали сообщения на скриншотах и всё ещё верите, что Forcecat чист — с вами что-то не так.
 
Достаточно принять тот факт, что автор треда начал с откровенного обмана (в количестве бабок) и предоставил какие-то склеенные переводы хер пойми кому.
Юра иногда может потеряться по срокам, это факт и иногда бывало, но при наличии оплаченного продукта, как и любой другой адекватный девелопер в сфере никуда просто так не пропадал, и если не успевал то тупо сообщал об этом.
Если кормить человека обещаниями, работать никто не будет,и в приорите явно будет таск, с 50% или 100% предоплатой. Тут же судя по всему оплата постфактум, и деньги свои же выпрашивать надо.
 
Данный персонаж уже давно имеет негативную репутацию в л2 сообществе. Чем вы думали, прежде чем переводить 1500 евро безработному? Конечно, он вас кинет.

1. Был забанен на mmo-dev
2. Обвинялся в мошенничестве на форуме l2jmobius
3. Забанен на форуме l2jmobius
4. Украл деньги и сборку в одной л2 команде.
5. Был выкинут за шкирку из другой л2 команды.
6. Считает всех россиян террористами, которые должны гореть в аду ->
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(you are Russian - you will burn in hell; You russian need to isolate from society, Russian terrorists)
 
Hello smile,


Thanks for your comment, but I must clarify some important points you misunderstood.


At no point did we pay after the work was done. Forcecat (Yura/Grendel or other names) was always paid in advance, either weekly or per task. And that’s exactly what caused the biggest damage in the end — we fully paid for the server source and custom systems, and he never delivered them. After receiving the payment, he disappeared, blocked everyone involved in our project and deleted all chats.


Arthur has always been an honest and generous person. At one point, Forcecat told us he was struggling with jaw and dental issues — Arthur gave him extra money just to help, even though that was not part of the deal. Throughout the weekly payments, Forcecat often received additional bonuses, even when he was inactive for long periods. We trusted him and we supported him.


But later, when he started asking for large sums and offering new systems and solutions, we continued to trust him and paid again — and then he vanished.


We found him here at MMO-Dev because he is already banned on other major forums, and the name “Forcecat” is now well known and associated with shady behavior.


Please don’t misunderstand the situation. This is not about post-payment or broken promises on our side — it's about being scammed after fulfilling every obligation on ours.


I honestly don’t understand why so many people are here defending this person. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I know we won’t get our money back, but my goal is to prevent others from falling into the same trap. This wasn’t just a minor loss — it was extremely frustrating and damaging.


We spent over a year waiting for him to finish configurations and prepare a project that was ultimately thrown in the trash. A huge amount of money was invested, but even more valuable than that — we lost time.


It’s really sad to see some people trying to paint us as the bad guys, when we have all the proof that we negotiated directly with him and he never delivered the sources or configuration packs we paid for.


Now that we finally found him, suddenly a bunch of "devil's advocates" show up to protect him. Are you his friends? What if you were in our position?


Are there really that many scammers still active in this scene?
If he lived in Brazil, we would have already put this criminal in jail.



Thank you for your message and for confirming what we sadly discovered too late.


Yes, we see that this person has a long history of bad behavior and bans in several L2 communities. Unfortunately, we didn’t know about all of this before making the deal. We trusted him because he seemed professional at first and was active in some forums.


You are absolutely right — if we had done deeper research, maybe this could have been avoided. But now that it happened, we want to make sure others don’t go through the same thing.


It’s really shocking to see the kind of messages he wrote against Russian people. That’s unacceptable and disgusting. We had no idea he held such hateful views.


Again, thank you for bringing more facts. I hope the moderators take this seriously and ban him from this forum as well.
 
Here we go again...
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Forcecat provided us with a GitHub repository that only contained clean MOBIUS files
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Give us diff comapring with mobius or something else that realy proves ur words.

odevgg написал(а):
This final deal was fully paid for by Arthur Senna
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odevgg написал(а):
He was paid.
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Give us transaction info link or something else that realy proves ur words.

odevgg написал(а):
He even unblocked Arthur today, clearly trying to calm the situation now that his reputation is at stake. If we were lying or exaggerating, why would he bother reaching out again?
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Cmon, speculations about why he did it means nothing.

odevgg написал(а):
all the proof that we negotiated directly
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Ur negotiations shows nothing without real proofs. Where is proofs of ur payments? Transactions to check and etc..

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Again, thank you for bringing more facts. I hope the moderators take this seriously and ban him from this forum as well.
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If u want moderators to take all this seriously - give evidence. You write a lot but don't give anything to really back up your words.

Thank you for alerting the community to this. People who find this thread will draw their own conclusions. But all of this will still be without evidence and as a result without consequences.
 
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odevgg написал(а):
We found him here at MMO-Dev because he is already banned on other major forums, and the name “Forcecat” is now well known and associated with shady behavior.
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where is the proof that I am banned somewhere else? these are just words
Because people know how I work, you didn’t want to pay for my work and demanded more than you paid for. You also came up with a payment of $1,500 that didn’t exist! Until now, there is no evidence of this payment.

I provided a log showing that on those dates I did not receive these funds—screenshots are above in the topic.

Yesterday, Arthur got all the files he asked for. I gave him everything. Why are you continuing this conversation further? You already have everything you need. I left you because you didn’t pay money for the work, and I still did everything you asked for. No, this is not "pure Mobius." I can open public access on GitHub, and people will see and compare it now if you want—I will do it. Anyone will be able to see these files and compare them with what you call "clear Mobius." On these resources, I personally opened the project three times. The datapack, GeoEngine, Autohunt, scripts, formulas, etc and other elements that did not work correctly in Mobius were completely changed. Why are you slandering and throwing mud when we have already resolved this issue with Arthur?

Открыть доступ на гит их сборки? сравним с чистым мобиусом?

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He even unblocked Arthur today, clearly trying to calm the situation now that his reputation is at stake. If we were lying or exaggerating, why would he bother reaching out again?
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Yes, he got everything he asked for, why didn't you mention it? We decided everything with him.

you got this right away and the compiled interface and the installed server, everything was installed, why are you lying? I'll open git now and people will see these files that they are there


What is this?



Do you have all these files, maybe you can write about it?
 

"Forcecat provided us with only clean Mobius files."
Exactly that’s the core of the problem. He sold us a complete package (source code + custom systems + configurations), but only delivered files that anyone could download. We can provide file comparisons privately to moderators, but we will not publish them openly in the forum.

"Show proof of payment."
We have all payment records, including the one related to the source code. These are private financial documents. All the payment proofs have already been sent privately to a moderator, and some of them are even already in this very thread just not exposed publicly.


"The fact that he unblocked Arthur proves nothing."
I understand your point. But it’s very curious that he unblocked Arthur right after this thread was created, and in his messages it’s very clear that he wants to “solve things to avoid being exposed.” After months of silence, this is highly suspicious.
"If you want to be taken seriously, show evidence."
That’s exactly what we are doing. Here’s a screenshot from this very forum showing that Forcecat changed his Telegram contact on March 26, 2025. This clearly shows he is trying to cover his tracks.



"People will draw their own conclusions."
Exactly. That’s our goal — to expose the truth and protect the community, so that no one else has their time, money, or dreams stolen by a scammer.



Stop lying, Forcecat.


You know very well that what you sent was not what was agreed upon! I already made it clear above that, before changing your Telegram name, you unblocked Arthur to "solve this" because you wanted to cover your tracks as a scammer.


You're trying to act like the problem was solved just because you sent something — but sending anything doesn't mean you're not a scammer anymore. You promised a fully working source code with custom systems, and after getting paid, you disappeared — and only yesterday showed up to deliver some files in an attempt to cover your crimes.


Let’s not forget:


  • You disappeared for months.
  • You blocked Arthur and deleted all conversations.
  • You changed your Telegram name on March 26, 2025 to avoid being tracked (this is recorded by the forum itself).

Now you show up only because this topic exposed you, and you’re trying to act innocent. This is typical behavior of someone who was caught and is trying to do damage control.


Finally — we never stopped paying you. You were paid weekly, received extra money, and were even given help for a personal health issue. And even after all that, you scammed us — you are a huge traitor.


So no, this case is not closed until you are banned.
We’re not here to argue with you or ask for money back.
We’re here to warn the community and make sure no one ever trusts you again.
 
odevgg Send screen shots that Arthur received all the files
I repeat once again on this assembly there were 3 openings, this is not pure mobius, I will open your assembly for everyone and about this everyone will be convinced that you are lying, do you want this? I am waiting for your permission to do this

you didn't pay for the source of the files, you got them for free, we agreed to work a week of work = payment every week, you didn't do it. you downloaded the resources and stopped paying, who's the scammer here?

how the payment that $1500 was sent specifically to me, how did you pay $150 before, there is a name there, to whom it was sent, I didn't have such transactions and you know it
 


Oh, this GitHub repository?
The same one you created and then removed my access to shortly after? Nice move.

Given your behavior, who can guarantee that you didn’t reuse or sell this exact code to someone else during all this time?

You disappeared on January 13th, almost 3 months ago — and the commits you’re showing are from 6–7 months ago. I’ve had no access to this GitHub since it was created.

Also, let’s be clear:
You were paid for this project — including the source code. That means you have no right to revoke access or hide the repository. You were not doing this as a favor; you were hired and paid.

So don’t act like showing an old GitHub repo proves anything. The issue is that you disappeared after being paid, and now you come back trying to make it look like everything was delivered — when it wasn’t.
It's a shame that you deleted the entire Telegram chat history — a smart move for someone like you.
Telegram allows users to delete the conversation history for both sides, which makes things very convenient for scammers like you.


You also asked for payments through Binance, knowing that there's no refund system, just in time for your final move: take a good amount of money and disappear.
And in case someone came after you, the plan was simple: "I deleted the Telegram history, now I can pretend I don’t know anything."


But that’s okay — we’ve done our part, and the report has been published with plenty of evidence.
Now it’s up to the moderators to decide whether they will stand with a scammer.

You’ve already scammed many people, and maybe this time you’ll get away with it again.
But justice always comes — sooner or later.
 
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Well, yes, you say that there is pure Mobius, let's open it and make sure that it is not so? Let's do it?
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Do whatever you think is best — your criminal mind makes you very convincing with words.

The code is “yours”, right?
Then go ahead — publish it, and include all your custom systems too.
Nothing you delivered yesterday will ever be used.

We are now working with an honest developer, someone who actually delivers what he promises and is well paid for it.

We’re not using any of your files.
We now have a solid project in good hands.

Sometimes bad things happen for a reason — after your scam, we found a much better developer.
The only downside? Starting from scratch something we had been working on for over a year.

You're talking about payments and all kinds of things with one simple goal:
To distract everyone from the fact that you're a big-time scammer.

We caught you, my friend.
It's over.
 
odevgg написал(а):
but only delivered files that anyone could download. We can provide file comparisons privately to moderators, but we will not publish them openly in the forum.
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WTF. You said clear mobius and everybody can download them. Diff should have 0 differents... And nothing there to be private

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These are private financial documents.
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Crypto transactions are public - its base for block chain and there exist services to track transaction almost for all. But if u show them to administration - ok

We will wait for their conclusion then
 
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and why did you ask me to send you all these files and the source code again yesterday? if you won't use it, where are these screenshots that you received these files yesterday?

I'm glad for you that everything is fine with you

if you had followed the terms, nothing would have happened and we would have worked with you, you know that I did what I asked, you don't say it for some reason, but only throw mud at me now,

you asked to write to Artur and solve everything, I offered you to compensate for the damage not financially but with work, in return you asked for the source files of everything I did for you - you received them, and then you say that you didn't receive anything and you don't have anything and you don't need it, what is the logic of your topic here now?

Should I add screenshots to show that Arthur received everything or will you send them?

Мне нужно уходить на работу, если нужны будут скриншоты подтверждения что все файлы получены заказчиком, могу отправить их вечером. все что просили и за что оплатили, все было выполнено.
 

I said it before and I’ll say it again:
You contacted Arthur yesterday to "solve" this and sent him some system files.
Let me make it 100% clear: we don’t want your services anymore — because you are a scammer.


We accepted the files just to have something, because ever since you vanished, we had absolutely NOTHING from you.

Read the messages I’ve posted since yesterday — until this discussion about your scams started, we didn’t even know where you were, and we had no files at all.
Don’t play the victim, just admit what you did!

Once again:
You unblocked Arthur yesterday, sent him files trying to make us drop the report, but it's too late for that.

Now the only thing left is your ban.
SCAMMER.

My English is not very good, and maybe some of the translations you're making from my messages might sound confusing. Sorry.
 
I didn't ask to drop the complaint, I asked why you continue to throw mud at me if I'm trying to resolve the issue with you, that's what confused me.Think as you want who I am, I did everything you askedThe slander is only from you, you didn't pay the amount you indicated, in this case, you are the scammers for me. Call me as you want, I don't care anymore.
check date

12-10-2024
check my date

where is the payment of 1500? if you sent it but definitely not to me.

odevgg написал(а):
My English is not very good, and maybe some of the translations you're making from my messages might sound confusing. Sorry.
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Eu também uso um tradutor, mas felizmente entendo o que você escreve

odevgg Podem me chamar como quiserem, vão me banir ou não. Tanto faz pra mim. Sucesso com o seu projeto, minha intenção não era enganar vocês, eu estava procurando trabalho na época e queria ganhar um extra + aprender mais sobre código. Nada além disso. Não tinha o objetivo de enganar. Tudo de bom pra vocês.
 
Сейчас я ворвусь с 2х ног, а ник Bruneco вам сударь знаком? Интересно какую характеристику предоставит вам данный заказчик. У вас же как вы говорили всегда все четко заказ - оплата. Я же вас правильно понял?
 
да знаком, другие бразильские заказчики с кем работали больше 7 месяцев, оплачивали все во время и работа делалась
сейчас дальше работают на этой же сборке, обновились на мобиусе до 502 протокола и работают со своим разрабом их сайт вот
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к чем они здесь?

был строгий тз лист, которое выполнялось, задачи давал yuma, bruneco финансово поддерживает проект на сколько знаю, и принимает участие,

если не прав, зовите их пусть пишут тоже, тут уже все были с кем ранее работал или имел дело

что от меня требуется еще? я с артуром пытался решить вчера все, что он просил файлы он получил, финансово вернуть ему средства не в состоянии, предложил ему выполнение работы что бы закрыть вопрос, он попросил исходники всего что для него делалась и кастом дополнительно, это все ему вчера скинул.

нужен бан на этом форуме меня? я не против, блокируйте .
еще раз повторюсь, целью обманывать или наживаться у меня нет, я старался и выполнял работу за которую мне оплачивали, я не брал деньги и пропадал сразу же блокировал человека, и не давал файлов, такого не было. все было сделано и тратилось личное время на требования заказчиков
 
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